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| | Posted on Sunday, November 23, 2008 - 1:26 pm: | |
Hi... I recently purchased a Neosteel Male Total Hip belt off of eBay. Alas, its a bit small, and will be going back on auction soon, but it's given my wife and i enough information to know that we'll be ordering a new one. So now i wanted to ask the community some questions about styles and options with Neosteel belts:
1. Abus vs Snap Locks: the snap locks look pretty seriously smaller profile and more minimal. However, I’ve heard they are less secure, because they are more easily pickable due to the two simple pinholes that need to be pressed. What experience do people have with the two? To get the more minimal profile and style, do I really significantly sacrifice security?
2. Belt Linings (neoprene vs silicone, vs new Masterpiece no-lining): does anyone have experience with the new no-lining belts? The used belt I have is silicone, and it seems fine. The lined belts are also 1.5mm steel, while the new no-lining ones say they are 3mm. I’m curious about the rigidity, about the possibility of the edge digging into the skin, etc?
3. Rear Crotch style: my used belt is a Hip total male belt. The wider part that covers the anus is too large for me and rubs my crotch too much when I walk. So I think I have two options: the Ergo style module (which gives the wearer the bendable, split plastic-coated metal bands, viewable here: http://www.neosteel.de/Nsepcbr.htm), or the Sports style (with the coated wire that runs right up the arse crack). The Ergo style doesn’t seem to allow for a lockable plug in the anus. The Sports wire does, but only with special plugs. That said, anyone have experience with the comfort of one over the other?
4. The front crotch style: regular, she-male, or the new Arch. My used belt is the regular style. I like that it fully covers/encases the balls. I also get the sense the she-male style is just an added cover that is for aesthetics. The Arch is very interesting in that it seems the most minimal and the most comfortable, but I’d like to hear from people who might have tried it out vs the standard or she-male. Also, from the pictures, the Arch looks to have a longer tube that curves underneath… and it looks like you couldn’t sit on it, as it goes further back toward the anus. Experiences?
5. Neosteel.us: I am having a hard time understanding what differs between the US site, and the .de site. My impression is that the .us site is offering “system” belts only, and in a brushed steel instead of shiny. And while the prices are a little lower, they don’t seem to be that different. Anything I’m missing?
Thanks!
bill_boy |
Alphax (Alphax)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 12:00 am: | |
It's been a while since I ordered my Neosteels (they don't wear out very fast), so I can only answer one of your questions:
The regular front has two locks. One on the waistband, and the second lock on the front shield to adjust the height of the penis tube.
In the she-male style, there is no second lock on the front shield, and the "labia shield" reaches from the crotch to the waistband. The penis tube is of fixed distance from the waistband (Important to get your measurements right!!!) and also is secured at the waistband. Therefore, in the she-male style, everything is secured by a single padlock. Simplicity in design with better aesthetics, at the sacrifice of adjustability in the penis tube, or a real PITA to close, depending on your perspective.
It sounds like you're reading the site as carefully as anybody can. |
Bill Boy (Bill_boy01)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2008 - 7:55 pm: | |
Alphax thanks... i've also posted this post on chastitylifetsyle.com, and have been surprised at how few responses i've gotten. i assumed lots of neosteel wearers would have a say.
The belt i have currently is the Hip Total belt. It doesn't have the two-lock system, and it doesn't have a metal shield/strap that covers the slit that holds the bottom peg of the penis tube. so i think its the same as the she-male style, just without the extra metal strip/labia shield.
Appreciate the response. |
Gerry(xxx) (Gerryxxx)
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| | Posted on Thursday, November 27, 2008 - 8:00 am: | |
When considering Neosteel, you should take into consideration that the advertisment on their website which reads:
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- designed for staying chaste, keeping chastised, adult training and bdsm
- escape-proof
- - if you loose the keys you will not be able to remove the item
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According to Neosteel's lawyer this only means, that you cannot take off the belt. It is NOT ment to be a guarantee, that the belt will keep the wearer's penis in the tube.
I got that response as a written statement from Neosteel's lawyer and translated it here into English for your information.
Personally, after my experience with Neosteel, I got the impression that the main focus is to make as much money as possible. While that is nothing wrong in itself, I personally dislike it, when I get that feeling as a customer because I fear that customer satisfaction is less important than money.
There are a lot of other manufacturers out there, which I would prefer over Neosteel. |
Eugene Samuels (Bdsamm)
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| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 10:37 am: | |
I would like to strongly agree with Gerry's statement regarding Neosteel. My comments are in reference to a female belt. It was not made according to the measurements provided. When I inquired, the response was: To bad you have a belt that doesn't fit. It can be modified for $xxx. Needless to say, I made the necessary modifications myself but in my case even then the design of the belt makes it very difficult for some women to wear. |
The cynic (Cynic)
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| | Posted on Friday, November 28, 2008 - 4:27 pm: | |
Eugene, did you use their measuring kit? |
Gerry(xxx) (Gerryxxx)
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 2:05 am: | |
Cynic,
as I understand Eugene, he provided a set of measurements and the belt was not made according to these measurements.
It is absolutely irrelevant if the measuring kit was used or not. The idea of this measuring kit is to make sure you get the measurements right. But with or without kit it is no use if the belt delivered is not made according to the measurements.
Speaking of the measurement kit. Did you know that Neosteel expects you (at least it was the case with me) to buy the kit even when you visit Neosteel in person to get measured?
Have you ever seen this "measuring kit"? A few straps of a synthetic fibre material. Some velcro attached to it. All held together by small rivets and stapler clips. Now take a look at the prize and tell me it is worth the money. |
Bill Boy (Bill_boy01)
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 6:03 am: | |
I have to say i'm a bit surprised to hear such negatives about Neosteel. The vast majority of what i've read has been very positive about them. Gerry/Eugene... do you own belts from other manufacturers, and can you tell me about those experience, models, and why they're better?
Anyone else have thoughts? |
Alphax (Alphax)
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 12:55 pm: | |
I disagree with Gerry and Eugene's experiences with Neosteel. In my experience in dealing with Dr. Mende, he has been nothing less than a complete professional.
I used the measuring kit and I got perfect results. But you do have to follow the instructions very carefully. Review the instructions and the videos on the included CD before you actually start measuring.
The problem with these stainless steel CBs is that the reality is so much different than we imagine in our fantasies, so disappointment is inevitable. To add to that, their extremely high cost and making them from a set of measurements taken remotely results in even more error and poor fitting.
Even though I used the measuring kit as carefully as I could, Dr. Mende emailed me later and corrected my measurements from his own experience. That's how much error is involved in anything outside of an in person measurement.
Then there's the whole bending issue after you actually receive the belt. Steel isn't flexible or stretchy so you need to gently bend the belt to fit your anatomy even if the measurements are correct. A lot of people don't understand that. |
Gerry(xxx) (Gerryxxx)
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| | Posted on Saturday, November 29, 2008 - 5:43 pm: | |
@Bill Boy
I own a Carrara / Goethals belt and it is WAY better than the Neosteel. The main difference is that Walter builds all of his belts himself and every improvement is from own experience, as he is wearing his belts himself.
Neosteel on the other hand creates the overall design and once you send the measurements, these are applied to the design and then they have suppliers that manufacture the parts of the belt and Mr. Mende only does the assembling of these parts in the end.
You ask how I know how they do it? Well, during my law case with Neosteel, I got this information from Mr. Mende himself as affirmation in lieu of oath. So one thing is absolutely sure: Neosteel does not and end-to-end manufacturing. Mr. Mende only assembles parts that have been manufactured by Neosteel's suppliers according to the design from Neosteel.
Obviously Neosteels ability to help you out if something is not perfectly fitting is VERY limited. Whenever they need more than just a bit of bending, this is an external cost factor to Neosteel and therefore they are quite reluctant.
In my case, Mr. Mende himself confirmed the measurements and still the belt was not secure. I could easily pull my penis out of the tube.
Mr. Mendes comment on my complaints was pretty much that: "they cannot make sure that there is not somewhere a fakir who can escape"
I think I do not need to accept to be called a fakir only because a manufacturer is not able to provide a product that lives up to their own promise (which as I know today actually is not ment to be a promise - see my posting above).
Personally I can definitely recommend Walter Goethals. I do not know about My-Steel from personal experience, but so far I did not come across any really negative feedback. The same applies to Tollyboy. I think when you manage to stay in the market for more then 50 years (as Tollyboy has), you definitely need to provide a good product and equally good service.
@Alphax
From what I have heard from others and experienced myself, there are 2 types of Neosteel customers. Those, for who the belt does the job - and they only see the professional side from Mr. Mende.
And those, for who the belt does not provide the security, neosteel suggests on their website it does. And once they start to complain and try to hold Neosteel for what they claim, you get a totally different side from Mr. Mende.
As Eugene said:
Of course Mr. Mende always claims that a misfit of the belt is not the responsibility of Neosteel but must be related to wrong measurements and therefore a change is charged extra.
As I made the effort to travel to Neosteel and had Mr. Mende do the measuring, he could obviously not take that route anymore, so he came up with the fakir stuff.
I have a written statement of another disappointed Neosteel customer who was at Neosteel's multiple times and spend a LOT of money on various "improvements" for things that I would consider either design or manufacturing flaws. In the end as, he was always able to pull out the penis form the tube, Neosteel suggested to make a new and tighter waist band to improve security. The belt was then so tight, that he was unable to wear it for extended periods but he was still able to pull out.
As this guy as well as I have been to Neosteel to be fitted, it cannot be just a bending issue.
Of course Neosteel refused to take back the belt and give him a refund. So he sold all this waste metal and got himself a Goethals which finally does the job for him.
Another thing you might find intersting is that Neosteel does not like you to speculate about their costs. When I did a bit of a calculation in another internet forum on how much the material and work that goes into a Neosteel belt might cost, Neosteel set loose their lawyer on me, who tried to keep me from exactly this kind of publicly speculating and calculating about their costs and prices.
And there is also the thing with the patents that Neosteel has for some designs. I wrote in another forum that the idea of the patents is to hinder competitors (which I think is the actual idea of a patent). Neosteel obviously did not like to see it publicly written that way and that was another point their lawyer tried to shut me up on.
So am I biased in my opinion on Neosteel after all that? Hell, yes I am!
Do I have reason to be? Read and make up your own mind. |
Susan (Builder)
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 2:50 am: | |
Just to add a point or two about Tollyboy.
Richard Davies (Tollyboy) does make every part for his belts himself from basic stainless stock in his workshop in Sheffield. Even the D rings are hand cut and bent from scratch.
I have personally seen every part of several belts made, polished, lined and assembled; I have even made a few of the smaller parts and polished several others myself (so you might be wearing one).
The main circular locks now come from a better company in America and are really lovely. Each lock is then set into an individually turned lock block. Richard has even scratch built some special one-off locks, but they are not used in the current range.
Tollyboy has been going for so long now that customers resist change; so there is some design inertia; but Richard continues to develop new parts and designs when he can. In my view that is the part he enjoys doing most. Like Carara, Tollyboy CBs are the product of an individual craftsman and designer; he made my CB with me standing there throughout, I could see every stage and part being created. Each CB, indeed every Tollyboy product, is unique. He can and will make adjustments and fix problems if you need that - which makes a huge difference. The Current Drop–front FGA and MGA Tollyboy CBs are based on simple enduring TB elements, tested and evolved over decades; but they ARE still evolving.
Making a belt really secure, but practical, means treating each customer as unique - and each belt as a fully bespoke item, which takes lots of extra time and effort from the maker. To get that kind of service these days is incredibly rare, even in the CB world. Much respect is due to those makers who still do things properly.
Susan (Builder) |
Eugene Samuels (Bdsamm)
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 7:01 am: | |
Bill Boy,
No, I never bought a belt other than the Neosteel. I was so disenchanted with the wearability of the belt that I just kind of dropped the whole idea. Remember, it is a female belt which should be much simpler than a male belt but it just was not something that could be worn on an everyday basis. I have explained the problem previously so won't go into that again.
I now have a new girlfriend who really wants a belt so in the next couple of weeks, I will be taking careful measurements and ordering a Tollyboy belt for her. I sincerely believe from what I have seen here and on other forums that Richard does about the best job possible to achieve customer satisfaction.
However, I have talked to a couple of people who bought female belts from My-Steel that were very happy with the results. |
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| | Posted on Sunday, November 30, 2008 - 8:42 pm: | |
Dr. Mende is having problems registering for an account here, so I'm posting the following reply from him regarding the issues posted in this thread:
Eugene: Please have in mind that we use the measurements (which we get from our customers taken with or without the CB Measuring Kit) and calculate from these the measurements for the chastity belt with our algorithms. These algorithms are based on the experience of thousands of chastity belts in the meantime. So you do not find the measurements from the kit directly at your chastity belt. For example: the measurement through the step you take from the middle of the press button in the rear to the bottom edge of the waistband in front. So this is 2 cm longer as the measurement through the step and you do not find it at the stainless steel chastity belt. Or we lift the penis tube a bit that the penis enters the tube in a 90° angle. By this trick you can be sure that urination always works well. But so you never find Measure 7 - which you took at your body - directly at your stainless steel chastity belt.
When you claimed that your chastity belt does not fit in 2006 I offered you the redesign of your chastity belt for a very fair dealing price of US$ 160 plus packaging and shipping.
Well, you did not accept it and decided to do your own changes - and now you have nothing and are disappointed. Please understand that we cannot make redesigns for free if a customer took the measurements by himself and claims that the chastity belt does not fit. But we help - after the sales - with our e-mails or free telephone calls to bend to fit and with a redesign for less than our own costs. And we also visit the USA where you can meet us and get our help.
Alphax: Thank you very much for your positive comment. Yes, the CB Measuring Kit:.
Take your measurements without the kit and you have a chance to get the measurements correctly on the first step by 70% to 80%. Take your measurements with the CB Measuring Kit and you have the chance to get the measurements correctly on the first step by about 95%. But you have to follow the video instructions. Visit or meet Neosteel and you have the chance to get your measurements correctly by more than 99%. That is the reason that we also use the CB Measuring Kit when you visit or meet Neosteel. Beside this: it is very hygienic. And the CB Measuring Kit is a quality assurance instrument for you document all your measurements on the kit and can check the measurements later again. With a leather belt and a flexible measure tape you know nothing.
Gerryxxx: Well, you bought your Neosteel chastity belt at Neosteel in the year 1999 already . It was a chain design with the first generation of our penis tube. I remember your visit at Neosteel very well. It was on February 14, 2000. I took your measurements with the kit and found that your measurements were correct. I have to say that I was surprised that you could pull out the penis from the tube and to stick it back into the tube again. So I offered to make a complete new (more expensive) total chastity belt for you for free. Which I did.
When you got the total chastity belt the result was that you needed much more effort to pull out the penis. But you were not able to stick it back again at all. So you would be careful to pull out the penis when locked up and have no key.
For me this was an important information and a signal that we had to develop the penis tube further which we did of course.
You can imagine that to develop and test new designs or parts costs a lot of money and so I asked you to pay about US$ 100 for a completely new designed tube which we had tested and found to be much more secure. But then you expected this new tube also for free - which I disagreed.
From that moment on you started to post your story in internet forums and to look for others who had negative to tell about Neosteel.
And you also wrote that we manufacture Neosteel products - which are made in Germany completely - instead in Eastern Europe to spare manufacturing costs. This is also not the truth at all. You can imagine that we are proud on our specialists in Germany who I trained by myself to manufacture Neosteel products following our developments and individual made to measure constructions under very high quality conditions.
Finally in August 2007 - when we were on our tour in Canada and the USA to meet customers - you wrote in this forum that we press our customers if they are not satisfied - which is also not the truth at all but obviously must be a result of your fantasy.
But you can imagine that these lies were enough for my wife and me that we finally gave the case to a lawyer who acted of course.
Please understand that I do not want to discuss further in forums for Gerryxxx will not rest till he has told the rest of the world how bad Dr. Mende and Neosteel are.
Beside this we do not have time for this. Our customers are waiting for the answers or their e-mails and for their delivery of their Neosteel chastity belts.
Thank you for your attention,
Dr. Reinhold Mende
Neosteel GmbH, Malberg, Germany |
Susan (Builder)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 4:29 am: | |
Dear DF
One issue underlying this thread is the strategic decision any CB maker must make in designing and fabricating a chastity belt to fit one specific individual.
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I know one production path quite well, through my time with Tollyboy. I own and use one of his drop-front belts, so I really know how that works. I have also seen several of them built from scratch, including my own. I tried making my own chastity belts in the past, which taught me a lot about various formats and fit.
in this path – the fit over the hips is achieved by forming a very shallow “V” shape at the point where the straight waistband meets (and locks to) the frontal shield. As a result the waistband curves and shapes in a complex arc over the hips, without the need for a bespoke laser-cut waistband element. The male and female shields are standardised - and the upper part of these is cut to length, then silicone edging is bonded to it prior to assembly, when the belt is fabricated.
This path – from measurement to finished chastity belt – is controlled by one person. It is also simpler for that person to make minor changes later on; I have seen this done, my own waistband was shortened by 20mm after several months to make the fit better.
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The other path I know through contact with Jillian (LIS); and I believe it is similar to the approach used by NeoSteel, My steel and others. This depends on a flexible Cad based model, which interprets the customer measurements (most specifically the waistband) into a laser-cutting path specific to one customer and belt. Some makers offer one ergonomic profile others have a range (My-Steel, for example have three).
For this system to work - the maker must have a good relationship with their laser-cutter AND sufficient numbers of belts in production to maintain the economic batching of laser-cutting work. Unless such a make owns their own laser-cutting equipment, they are dependant on that subcontractor for speed of service and quality of finish.
Once these makers receive the Waistband, the path of fabrication becomes similar to the alternate path (above). They finish and test assembles the parts prior to polishing; polish everything and apply any lining or edging, then do some final bending to make the belt ready for shipment.
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Chastity belts are rigid non-elastic items, much more “fit critical” than normal clothing, even bespoke corsets (and yes I own one) are less trick to fit.
Not only is every person a different shape, but that shape changes (as they move) in a totally individual way. Therefore - the fine-tuning (by subtle bending) of any waistband and shield really has to be done by the customer and their keyholder; it takes time and effort but makes the belt easier to live with over time. There is an art to this, and you simply have to learn it by trial and error.
Finally in male CBs the tube design and positioning is important. Tollyboy tubes may seem simplistic; but as I found, they work well and need to be positioned correctly. LIS tubes work in a similar way, but My-steel and NeoSteel tubes incorporate entrance-rings, set closer to the abdomen to feed the penis in and further discourage (or prevent) pull out.
The fit and functionality of any male chastity belt is a complex interlinked system. Contrary to some speculation, there is not “one perfect fit per person” but a range of solutions that can work for you. Thus two CBs that look a quite bit different can fit you well; and small adjustments can make all the difference to comfort and security in a chastity belt.
By the same token different designs suit different people and CB wearers are often very critical of fit and security; thus difficult customers to please over a very fit-critical item. Both makers and specifically wearers need to bare this in mind; and try to maintain a cordial and cooperative relationship when processing an order.
Gerry – it is clear that NeoSteel can incur substantial external costs when making changes for you; and, though being personally measured by Dr Mende helps; if you must have a perfect fit, he probably needs to shape the finished CB on you as well. I am just glad that Geothals has made you a belt that works for you.
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The redesign of the NeoSteel tube some years ago seems to work well for many customers; but it IS dependent on being correctly positioned at the right angle by the frontal shield, as well as being set at the right height (which on the Shemale versions is fixed). I think it is a more bulky solution than the Tollyboy tube but it also has advantages; it should be assessed fairly in that light.
In a total design, getting this fit right is even more tricky, IMHO. I have seen some people who find this works well, in others less so. Getting the relative positioning of each part of system right is an art informed by experience; and, unfortunately, that experience is specific to CB makers who make many belts for many people and learn by doing so.
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I don’t intend this post to be a criticism of any person or design and fabrication approach; I just want to inform people and facilitate mutual understanding between CB makers and buyers.
Chastity belt makers can’t survive without customers, but those customers are totally dependant on competent CB makers being able to run their business successfully and make a living doing it. In a fragile world mutual cooperation and understanding is essential.
Regards to all in the coming season.
Susan (Builder) |
Susan (Builder)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 4:57 am: | |
Sorry, just a quick postscript on the process of remote measurement, measurement kits (and also the LIS approach of producing a personal template for checking the fit).
Any commercial CB maker wants to get and interpret (as well as they possibly can) a reliable set of data to make a belt and satisfy the customer; doing so remotely is laced with problems. Please remember that these are not large volume manufacturing companies but small businesses, making totally bespoke products in moderate numbers.
The NeoSteel kit (which I admit, I have not seen) may seem expensive, but it embodies their design experience and is sincerely intended to help buyers get measurement right (which is in their interests after all). They also had to produce and duplicate the explanatory video to go with it and I suspect that several of these kits are ordered without a subsequent CB order being placed. The time and effort involved in making and distributing the kits is probably higher than you think.
If you were ordering a bespoke suit or dress - the maker would take measurements, check and adjust the cut in a second fitting and then check those adjustments on you before finishing it for delivery. A CB fit is MUCH more critical and all users should have a second fitting before delivery; this almost NEVER happens. For me it is miracle that so many CBs fit as well as they do. |
Eugene Samuels (Bdsamm)
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| | Posted on Monday, December 01, 2008 - 4:58 pm: | |
Just want to be sure everyone here knows I am not the person Dr. Mende is referring to in his response. My name is not Eugene and the belt I bought was not in 2006 and it was a female belt so didn't have a penis tube. Also, the measurements I provided were correct. I even checked them after the belt arrived. It simply was not made to the measurements I provided. It looks like the crotch shield was made for a belt with a straight waist band while my belt had the ergonomic waist. That placed the crotch shield over an inche too low. His mistake, not mine. |
Susan (Builder)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 2:24 am: | |
Dear Eugene
If the Frontal Shield was over an inch long I presume the thong is (or chains were) also too long. If so, you don't need a new waistband and the shield can be shortened, so it's a relatively simple thing to fix.
My post above referred briefly to Gerry's situation; but I just wanted to clarify the production path for people buying chastity Belts; I’m not criticising either party.
Richard is with me today; he said, "Perhaps I could modified the NeoSteel to fit the new Girlfriend." Somehow I don't think that is good relationship politics; you may not even have that belt any more.
If you can - get her measured by the maker. I'm sure Richard would welcome the order; he is fully up to date right now. (P.S. I’m not Richard, just a metal bashing mate of his. LOL)
Susan (Builder) |
Gerry(xxx) (Gerryxxx)
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| | Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:00 am: | |
Hi Alphax,
regarding your forwarded comment of Mr. Mende from Neosteel.
I strongly feel that a company that advertises a chastity belt on their website with "you cannot escape...." should be held up to that promise.
If Neosteel (as Mr. Mende did back in 1999 and still today) argues, that this promise is only referring to getting out of the belt as such, no matter if you can pull out the penis or not, I feel being cheated on.
I appreciate Mr. Mendes' first try to fix the problem witht he belt. But that try was just that - a try - and definitely not enough. Offering a 2nd try to fix something that should have been right in the first place only for about 20% of the price of the original product is definitely not a bargain. Especially - and Mr. Mende has confirmed that himself - as the measurements were absolutely correct. So no mistake on my side.
I might have considered that extra expense anyhow, but what really put me off was this:
I asked Mr. Mende (who already had told me HIS way of reading the promise on his website) if he would guarantee the security of the belt if I paid for the improved penis tube to finally achive security.
His only reponse was that about the fakir, which I mentioned above.
Would you have spend another 20% of the original cost without knowing that this would settle the thing then? I mean, if I was unlucky and the tube would not solve the escape issue, what then? Pay another premium for the next fixing attempt? Where would it end?
I guess when you buy another product like a new car, you would expect the dealer to keep on fixing (without charging you extra) until the product does the job as advertised. Right?
Besides I never wrote that Neosteel was manufacturing in Eastern Europe. Back then I did not know at all, where they had their parts manufactured but someone else in another forum claimed that he knew. All I did was that I expressed my opinion that this statement from another poster looked probable to me (as Neosteel has or had on their homepage a hyperlink to a Czech website showing pictures of Neosteel belts and their remark "Manufactured in Germany" that was originally on the website a few years ago, had been removed). It was only duing the law case, that Mr. Mende gave a confirmation instead of an oath that he had his parts made in Germany.
By the way:
In return to Neosteel's lawyer's first letter, I offered to agree not to say anything about manufacturing in Eastern Europe and in return only demanded that Neosteel should confirm to me that they indeed did not manufacture there. Instead of just sending the confirmation and settle the thing, Neosteel decided to open a law case.
My personal interpretation of their motives: To hurt me financially, to "punish" me for being so keen to post my negative experiences freely, to try and shut me up for the future, preventing me from telling others what I know.
Besides Neosteel (through their lawyer) tried also to shut me up on speculating about the material value and work that goes into a Neosteel belt in comparison to the price.
There are just things I wrote, which Mr. Mende did or does not like to read in the internet.
And yes, Neosteel DID have their lawyer send a letter to the admin of another (German) internet forum, requesting removal of certain postings who were not favourable of Neosteel. During the law case I got a copy of that letter, so that is a fact I can proof anytime.
The forum admin decided that it was not worth the effort in time and money to get himself a lawyer and fight back and so he removed the postings. These removed postings dealt among other topics with speculations about the material value and work put into a Neosteel belt as well as with experiences people had with the after sales support of Neosteel. So there were definitely things removed according to the demand of Neosteel's laywer, that the poster had any right int he world to post on the internet.
In the letter to the forum admin, Neosteels laywer threatened to prosecute him for having that content on his website which the laywer claimed to be wrong / illegal statements about Neosteel.
I know that Neosteel does not like me to talk about my experiences with them. I know they would love to shut me up.
I would be surprised if there are no others out there who also have negative experiences with Neosteel but just do not dare to speak up, afraid Neosteel might send their lawyer after them as well.
@ Mr. Mende:
Why not invest your time in making sure your custumers are satisfied as other manufacturers obviously do. For example I cannot remember having read any negative feedback about Tollyboy. If every customer get's what he paid for, you would have only happy customers and no problem of dealing with negative feedback! |
Gerry(xxx) (Gerryxxx)
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Username: Gerryxxx
Post Number: 26
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 10:04 am: | |
Hello Susan,
thanks for your insight into Tollyboy Production.
As Walter Goethals is increasingly hard to get hold of and I am interested in another belt, I will definitely consider Tollyboy now as No. 1 on my list.
Cheers,
Gerry(xxx) |
Alphax (Alphax)
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Username: Alphax
Post Number: 414
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 12:54 pm: | |
It seems that I've become the go-to guy for everyone that doesn't have an account!
People, you can post on this forum without filling out the username/password below!
The following is from faithful of chastity Collar fame:
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I purchased a Neosteel Shemale belt 20 months ago, I travelled to
Neosteel to be measured. Yes I paid for the measuring kit, but I seem
to remember that the cost or part of the cost was refunded when a
purchased the belt.
Mr & Mrs Mende are professional, polite people, that have a passion
and a business for Chastity Belts. I found the whole experience
pleasant and comfortable.
I chose to return for fitting when the belt was complete and both me
and Mr Mende were surprised that the thong cable was way to long.
Everything else was a perfect fit and Mr Mende spent time bending the
parts to get a good fit, but said I would have to make the final
adjustments after wearing for some time.
He made a temporary solution of cutting the rear thong cable and
rejoining and suggested that I try it for a few weeks before deciding
on a length, which he would then make a complete new thong piece and
post it to me, all at his cost. This we did after a few weeks and I
used it for a while, but then decided that I was wrong and it should
have been even shorter. Mr Mende agreed to make a new one for me,
again all at his own cost.
A new cable and front shield soon arrived and a lived with that for a
while, but found I was still managing to get my penis out. After
emails with Mr Mende he decided that he would make me a new penis
tube with a curved top edge to tighten the gap where I could get out,
again this was all done at his cost, with me paying nothing towards
it.
At this time I decided to upgrade to the Master Piece Front Shield,
which was made for me and I was kindly given a part exchange
allowance on my old one. The new shield proved to be beautifully made
with a real feel of a production product with a welded edge all
around, that looks like it has been done by machine.
After the joy of having no edging to chafe and trap things, I decided
that I just had to have the Master Piece Hip Band, which again Mr
Mende has made for a good price with a trade in on my old one. I have
now had that for over 9 months and must say it is by far the easiest
to wear.
About 5 months ago the join of the thong cable to the shield broke
and Mr Mende immediately said he would make a new one for me, which
arrived with the new stronger design, again at no cost to myself and
this is after 18 months after the original belt was purchased.
I have always enjoyed conversations with Mr Mende both on the phone
and via email. He seems to genuinely care about the comfort and
quality of his product and I am still making small adjustments even
now after 20 months. I have only in the last two weeks started
wearing the hip belt a inch high up my hips, which was a shock, as I
always though I had that part correct, but now the penis tube feels
more comfortable than ever and I certainly can't get out now !
Lockedfaithfull |
Susan (Builder)
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Username: Builder
Post Number: 1068
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 3:14 pm: | |
I think this is a very useful post, because it shows how complex the measurement and fine-tuning process is. A better fit evolves in stages and in this case with improved or updated components over many months.
Thanks to Alphax and Lockedfaithfull. |
Eugene Samuels (Bdsamm)
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Username: Bdsamm
Post Number: 41
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 02, 2008 - 5:09 pm: | |
Susan & Richard,
In fact the chains were not too long. The chains attach to the waist band at a point where the band is at near normal waist level. The front shield attaches at a point (center) where the ergonomic waist band is more than an inch below the normal waist. I am still convinced the front shield was made for a belt with a normal waist band although I was getting the ergonomic waist band.
I had no problem cutting off and redrilling the top of the front shield and was able to get the fit correct. Should not have had to do that but it cost me nothing. My bigger problem was the fact that the wide part of the Neosteel front shield is down well between the legs and is so wide that a woman cannot get her legs comfortably close together when seated. It is just too wide and too low. Probably works for some or even many. It did not work for my girlfriend. She could wear the belt but was not comfortable when sitting or sleeping on her side. Also, the dropped back of the ergonomic waist band pressed too hard on her pelvic bones causing discomfort after longer wearing periods. Again, probably works quite well for many but not her. This is not Neosteel's fault. It is her anatomy.
I will be ordering a Tollyboy belt. I want to take some time to get the waist measurement correct. (How tight can a waist belt be for a longer time period primarily?) I will order the straight waist band for this young lady. |
Rupert Stillwater (Rupert)
New member
Username: Rupert
Post Number: 246
Registered: 7-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 5:23 pm: | |
One thing I always wondered about the Tollyboy belt was how the open end prevents masturbation. |
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